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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Paperchasing on December 15, 2011, 03:55 am
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PAPER-MARTS LIST OF BANNED SR BUYERS:
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nycsurf808
easypeezy(88)
smurf420
vitalogy
srtor
jammine
Latest addition:
"Joe Dirt" User number 116021: This fool accuses me of selective scamming, not answering his PM's, never receiving his product and asserts general self stupidity in my feedback: "Vendor treats new users like shit and never answers PMs. Product never arrived, but as I am a new user Paperchasing can get away with selective scamming. I let order autofinalize without taking it to resolution because I didn't know how it worked."
Well, this retard never PM'd me, I actually PM'd him asking if there was a problem why he had not finalized because I could see he had received his order on the 21st.
Heres "Joe Dirts" DCN report:
Label/Receipt Number: XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX XXXX
Service(s): Delivery Confirmation™
Status: Delivered
Your item was delivered at 9:XX am on December 21, 2011 in SEATTLE, WA 98119.
Detailed Results:
Delivered, December 21, 2011, 9:50 am, SEATTLE, WA 98119
Out for Delivery, December 21, 2011, 9:28 am, SEATTLE, WA 98119
Sorting Complete, December 21, 2011, 9:18 am, SEATTLE, WA 98119
Arrival at Post Office, December 21, 2011, 7:31 am, SEATTLE, WA 98119
Depart USPS Sort Facility, December 21, 2011, SEATTLE, WA 98168
Processed through USPS Sort Facility, December 21, 2011, 5:49 am, SEATTLE, WA 98168
Processed through USPS Sort Facility, December 21, 2011, 1:43 am, FEDERAL WAY, WA 98003
Joe Dirt, your name is quite appropriate.
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*** PLEASE DO FEEL FREE TO SELL TO THESE BUYERS IF YOU LIKE FALSE AND/OR MISLEADING FEEDBACK ON YOUR VENDOR ACCOUNT!! ***
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Perhaps I am too stoned on Island Sweet Skunk too truly understand this....wow.
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Dilly Jean
lindamelbourne
Both unresponsive and made me wait the full 17 days for the order to finalize.
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I can see the good intent of this, but all a buyer has to do is re-register as another newbie.
I think the only way forward is for honest vendors to insist on newbies early finalizing, the problem is, this exposes newbies to bad vendors... I think eventually, SR will mature, and all vendors will have to achieve some form of 'trusted' status, maybe if its not too much of an admin headache, SR could impose a refundable vendor 'license fee' until a vendor gets a trusted status?
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There will always be crappy buyers and scamming sellers. Being able to infinitely open new accounts for free doesn't provide much incentive for buyers to give a shit. I don't know the best solution, but it seems vendors will have to deal with it or move on unless they require early finalization from all new buyers. That removes the protection built into SR which might decrease the number of new customers. I know I would have been less likely to buy without escrow before I knew which vendors were honest.
I think paying a nominal fee for buyers accounts as well as having buyer feedback would reduce problems. New buyer and seller accounts should be restricted for a certain amount of time and number of successfully completed transactions. Perhaps buyer and seller accounts could also be tied to the forums to prevent the bogus accounts used to attack vendors. The key is the balance. If the site becomes too restrictive, expensive, and difficult to use then you won't need to worry about bad customers because you won't have any. On the other hand, if all the good vendors keep getting fucked over then we'll have nothing but overpriced and under performing sellers left. Do you want a restrictive site with lots of rules or few rules and let the forums and feedback weed out the bad folks?
I read that some scammers opened vendor accounts before SR started charging. They should close all buyer and seller accounts that have been inactive for over 90 days so these fools need to purchase new accounts to start scamming.
I don't know if SR gives a shit either. As long as the sale goes through escrow he gets his cut whether it's a scamming vendor or a buyer who doesn't finalize. Maybe if we start going completely outside escrow we'll get his attention. ;)
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...yet another thread..
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Actually, early finalize does not really address the issues that have been irritating me the most Sure, autofinalizing sales are definatly a issue that will at this put a buyer on my banned list at this point, but really its the inappropriate use of the feedback system that has brought this about, at least for me.
As for people just getting a new account,good luck with that, I have a fairly good memory for addresses and I will add the new name to the banned username list.
It would DEFINITLY help if SR would start charging a nominal fee for new user accounts.
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*** BUMP *** new info added to banned list
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...yet another thread..
only thing different is I know how to get shit done.
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Buyer scammer list for me :
kellyslater24 - TOULOUSE - FRANCE
This bitch said he had no receipts to each order, attention!!
I have already re-shipped, and I am still the same token, I will prevent an admin from SR !!!!!!!
oxiD
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Cool.
This thread will really help me fill out my future "List of vendors who will blackmail you and post your information at their whim" thread.
Vendors who out any information about a client whatsoever - and especially to do so because they got a 4/5 - are the kind of vendors people need to know about.
Good idea to get them all in a single thread like this.
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Ah Man! How does a Buyer avoid getting beaned by This new Federation? I think I once gave a Vendor a 4 out of 5, but had to so with such poor packaging. Do I need a minimal number of successful Buys? I think I have 16? Damn this sucks..
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Nice idea Paperchasing. :)
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Can I get List of who's Who on This "Federation?" I came on to SR to Buy and not deal with the Hassles of Street Vendors.
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@Variety Jones - If you dont like it I really dont give a damn *and* if you like ill be more than happy to send the scammers your way since your making it clear you wont do or say a damn thing when they blackmail you or submit BULLSHIT feedback... oh yeh, thats right your post made that clear already so Im sure the scammers really appreciate you identifying yourself as an easy target. Sheesh.
@oppyate - One does not get banned for even 1/5'ing me, they get banned for outright FALSE FEEDBACK or ATTEMPTED BLACKMAILING VIA FEEDBACK SYSTEM or AUTO-FINALIZATIONS. I have more ratings of less than 5/5's that were all my bad and they ARE NOT ON THIS LIST. Go ahead, go back thru my feedbacks all the way and count all the less than 5/5's and you will see that I admit there were some that was MY FAULT THAT I DESERVED, such as postage due upon arrival. If you don't like my system, you are free to choose to shop with some of the newer vendors and take your chances, let us know how that goes.
These systems only work if used by people of integrity, those buyers that choose to submit false information about vendors wrongfully, or whom operate with malicious intent, or whom fail to finalize timely (autofinalize) WILL BE NAMED. Now everyone that has dealt with me in the past knows Im super easy to get along with and provide a top notch product for the price point. I have one of the widest range of products at some of the best prices, ever increasing as my trust in SR increases and the refinement of the system is occuring, such as this refinement.
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Paperchasing I'm new here and I agree with your idea that SR charge a fee for new accounts. I would have paid up gladly
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Yeh, I think that Silk Road's reputation has gotten good enough for people to pay to be on here now. Besides, if someone don't have 25 bucks for a account then they definitely do not have any extra money to spend on drugs for real. This was discussed once before and I think the best idea I heard was a FREE viewing account and a membership fee to be able to actually place orders. Thats what my vote is for. Maybe free accounts should be able to PM users, especially the MP->BTC vendors to get BTC's to activate their free viewing account to buyer status.
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Whoa==Whoa Big Guy..Paper, I'm just asking who's part of this Union. You're right, I can choose who I do biz with and who Not To. I have 14 Transactions, Zero Refunds, Zero Hassles and I intend to keep it that way. As you said, you can look at feed back page and I think I've only given 4/5's due to very justifiable Reasons. As I've said before, I'm here because I Trust the SR System and I'm never going back to driving around a fucked up Hood where Terms, Pricing and quality get turned upside down cause your Inside a Tweeked Vendor that basically tells you how it's going to go down. Fuck that.
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There doesn't seem to be much point in posting about refund percentage or auto finalizing since any vendor can see those stats if they want. As long long as honest vendors use the system correctly I'm ok with it, but what happens if a dishonest vendor tries to get back at a buyer for leaving legitimate negative feedback? How are you going to police the system so it isn't abused?
I like the idea that buyers can see everything available without purchasing an account. Once they see all the good stuff available, I don't think they will have much problem buying an account. Maybe the money could be a deposit that they get back after a certain number of successfully completed transactions.
I have a 4% refund rate and it isn't my fault. SR Discount Pharmacy never sent my meth order and another vendor who is still active here sent me fake meth which I tested with a reagent and corroborated with a couple other buyers to be sure. I rightfully received refunds for both. Another vendor cancelled an order because they ran out of H, but I don't know if that counts against me since they initiated the refund.
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honestly I dont even look at refund rates, actually Ive been surprised to see i just packed a order for someone with a 1/100% refund rate. No problems from those people yet actually. Was I hesitant to send it out then: YES. Did I send it: YES. Am I glad I did: YES cause now their rating is getting better, and we had a successful transaction. Some of my most appreciative feedback has come from those people. Sometimes bad ratings are not the users fault. I dont think the rating system is perfect by no means but its the only system I know of so far... I just think that we can refine how we deal with problematic vendors and buyers and this is an attempt at that. If anyone has any suggestions, please post them!
SR himself told me if I cancel a order before I click shipped it DOES NOT affect their refund rate, I asked him back when I was thinking about cancelling a buncha orders over Thanksgiving cause I was not able to get back to my homestate to ship them out.
IF a buyer thinks that they have been added to the list UNFAIRLY they are welcome to post on this thread and I will investigate further. NOBODY is going to use this to have leverage over a buyer either. This system has to be used with honesty and integrity or it WILL NOT WORK.
oppyate sorry if i sounded like i was gettin after ya, i didnt mean it to sound that way!
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You need to update your profile URL in your sig. It's still using the old ian______ address.
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Look Paper..big Problem here is that Buyers can Chang Feedback at Will going back months! Guy gets Tweeked, pissed at world and wants to Shit on someone. They need to change that.
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Look Paper..big Problem here is that Buyers can Chang Feedback at Will going back months! Guy gets Tweeked, pissed at world and wants to Shit on someone. They need to change that.
As a newer buyer that would like to see the site survive, I agree. If you can't make up your mind within a month of receiving something, maybe you need to cut back a bit :) I wouldn't mind if they blocked edits from people who let the order auto finalize either.
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Look Paper..big Problem here is that Buyers can Chang Feedback at Will going back months! Guy gets Tweeked, pissed at world and wants to Shit on someone. They need to change that.
I don't see a big problem with the buyers other than they are too generous with the 5/5. If there was a problem then why do a lot of the top vendors have close to 100. CFMF was close to 100 look what happened. The only recourse the buyer has is to go back and change the feedback to reflect the true outcome.
I guess if the SR does change this and the vendors still want to finalize early, then the only response can be 1/5 without knowing what your getting.
If anything needs to be changed it is the feedback listing on the vendor's store. The vendor can easily make sales to himself for let's say 1BC and generate volumes of 5/5 feedback.
The possible way to stop this is to also display, in the feedback, the amount of the sale.
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Minioreo1234 - biggest douchebag on SR.
I have more but posting them here in public will only piss them off and possibly cause them to change their ratings... most of the ones I shitlisted actually gave me a good review.
smurf420 opened a dispute against me saying he never got his order. I reshipped his whole order and extras via priority with tracking this time so he wont be able to claim it was lost. I sent it out the 15th and haven't heard anything since. Hopefully it'll show up soon and he will close it. ::)
Buyers should DEFINITELY not be able to change feedback on an purchase that took place over a month ago. There for sure needs to be a cut off date.
There needs to be a way for sellers to respond to feedback that is integrated directly into SR. There also needs to be a way to leave feedback on buyers for other sellers to see...Its common sense... completely ridiculous that this isn't already possible.
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I agree with your idea that SR charge a fee for buyer accounts,
the new buyer can access the site,take a look around first & if they want to buy something,
they have to buy a buyer account & accept some kind of "aggrement" that SR declare for new buyer until they have gain rep as legit buyer.
I think by that way its fair for both side for buyer & seller. both parties have to pay their taxes.
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I agree with your idea that SR charge a fee for buyer accounts,
the new buyer can access the site,take a look around first & if they want to buy something,
they have to buy a buyer account & accept some kind of "aggrement" that SR declare for new buyer until they have gain rep as legit buyer.
I think by that way its fair for both side for buyer & seller. both parties have to pay their taxes.
The buyer is already paying all the taxes as it is. Do you think that seller does not up their price to cover all the SR fees?
Now you want the buyer to pay additional fees on top of that. And then the buyer gets Highly cut or crap for product?
Oh and if the buyer complains on the forum or dares to give a rating lower than 5 we are banned and our name is displayed
as if we are child molesters. Give me a break.
Why don't you just change your store to say "Stick'em up"
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afflatus, I see both your points. We do "pay the taxes" as buyers. But Reality is its in everything you Buy out in real World. If company makes widgets, and cost of X goes up, they pass that on to you and I. Buyers also get scammed. I've been scammed by on-line Pharmacies and the here once. Other problem is that while Buyers do get Scammed, it’s more likely Sellers have it far worse. I’m sure you’ve been to clubs or Hang-Outs where once the Douche-Bags & Riff-Raff start to come, the place turns into a shit hole. Places that charge just high enough to keep Riff-Raff out stay more trendy.
I would Not At all mind "Donating" for a particular Status Ranking as a Buyer. Eg. If I habe 10 or more Purchases, No Hassles, No Refunds, I could Pay $25 for Silver, $35 as an example for Gold and $50+ for Platinum. Buyer should be part of the Cost here to Help Keep Costs Down. Also, if your a Legit regular Buyer and you've Paid a Membership, it's less Likely ur going to do something Stupid. Vendors will know that If you paid a fee in both Purchase Points and Memeership, your less of a scam Risk. As I always say, I just hang out here..but I'm willing to do My Part
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@oppyate
SR already has a score for buyers that can be used to weed out the bad ones. Vendors should only sell in quantities they are willing to lose and buyers should only buy in quantities they are willing to lose. I have a perfect rating, as a buyer, but every vendor I dealt with scammed me and sent me crap. That is the real problem.
I do not see how making buyers pay $25,$50 or whatever is going to change that fact. It's not the money for me, I would just like to see this work for everybody.
I've viewed the forums for many months and have seen a pattern in the way buyers are put down by the vendors without facts. I know that these buyers were telling the truth because their description fit what I personally experienced with their product.
So the lesson learned is that the vendors waving their arms, intimidating their buyers, immediately accusing posters to be LE, etc. etc. are the biggest scammers and buyers beware.
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Look Paper..big Problem here is that Buyers can Chang Feedback at Will going back months! Guy gets Tweeked, pissed at world and wants to Shit on someone. They need to change that.
I don't see a big problem with the buyers other than they are too generous with the 5/5. If there was a problem then why do a lot of the top vendors have close to 100. CFMF was close to 100 look what happened. The only recourse the buyer has is to go back and change the feedback to reflect the true outcome.
I guess if the SR does change this and the vendors still want to finalize early, then the only response can be 1/5 without knowing what your getting.
If anything needs to be changed it is the feedback listing on the vendor's store. The vendor can easily make sales to himself for let's say 1BC and generate volumes of 5/5 feedback.
The possible way to stop this is to also display, in the feedback, the amount of the sale.
afflatus,
You have some very valid points biased on the buyers view.
Your next post goes on the attack, no need, cause you have made your point.
Points.
If sellers are allowed to indiscriminately rate buyers, that may be a problem.
Being forced to auto-finalize sucks, and should get a 1/5 until product is delivered.
We buyers are too generous with a 5/5, time to start spreading the pack out.
Paying for a buyers account will slow down the scam buyers a little.
Adding the price of the product reviewed would be nice.
After 30 days of finalizing my purchase, I.m done with review edits.
It's too bad the few ruin it for the many.
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30 days for ability to change feedback is too long. 7 days is more then enough to review an service and product and in the event of some dispute.
Main problem here with limited time for feedback change is early finalize, so maybe good idea is that have special selection what have not reflect vendor feedback if buyer choose for early finalize what can be changed to "real" rating what do have reflection on vendors ratings.
There can be many solutions to this we just have to think little and most important is to think considering as both party.
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I had good experience with Minioreo1234.
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Minioreo1234 - biggest douchebag on SR.
See, this is one of the issues I have with the idea that any seller can black list a buyer. I've sold to minioreo1234 upwards of 5 times and it's been smooth as Silk. (Pun intended.)
I have no comment on his interaction with davidd because I know nothing about it but to have this kind of disparity between vendors is disconcerting.
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afflatus, I see both your points. We do "pay the taxes" as buyers. But Reality is its in everything you Buy out in real World. If company makes widgets, and cost of X goes up, they pass that on to you and I. Buyers also get scammed. I've been scammed by on-line Pharmacies and the here once. Other problem is that while Buyers do get Scammed, it’s more likely Sellers have it far worse. I’m sure you’ve been to clubs or Hang-Outs where once the Douche-Bags & Riff-Raff start to come, the place turns into a shit hole. Places that charge just high enough to keep Riff-Raff out stay more trendy.
I would Not At all mind "Donating" for a particular Status Ranking as a Buyer. Eg. If I habe 10 or more Purchases, No Hassles, No Refunds, I could Pay $25 for Silver, $35 as an example for Gold and $50+ for Platinum. Buyer should be part of the Cost here to Help Keep Costs Down. Also, if your a Legit regular Buyer and you've Paid a Membership, it's less Likely ur going to do something Stupid. Vendors will know that If you paid a fee in both Purchase Points and Memeership, your less of a scam Risk. As I always say, I just hang out here..but I'm willing to do My Part
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Uniwhiz...thank you for the Positives on my Comments. I noticed you said I start off with good points but the Attack? I think wht you may have done is pastedd my quote with anothers possibly? Or your enjoying your weekend like me with Some Vape! I know I sometimes tend to be a bit Sarcastic, but I dont see where my Post on changing of Feedback after, as example, 366 days is bad thing. It's a Dual edged Sword, the Rating system. At first, you like the Vendor, than after u develope Tolerance or have a bad day, see a neg post, some will go in and seek payback. I think thts totally wrong and has created a Riff between Buyers vs. Sellers. I see certain Vendors using Union Like Tactics of who they will accept and the Buyers using Feedback as a weapon. This is not the same SR right now. You've seen my Posts on weed. Now it seems that there is a Cartel Like of "pricing and qunatity" Almost like an OPEC? That's just wrong. Anyway, thanx for feedback.
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oppyate,
Wasn't directed at you.
I still agree about the riff.
We need both a separate union of buyers, and sellers.
None of us want to be ripped off.
I don't think paying for a buyer's account is a bad a idea.
We also need to do something about vendors faking ratings.
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afflatus,
You have some very valid points biased on the buyers view.
Your next post goes on the attack, no need, cause you have made your point.
Points.
If sellers are allowed to indiscriminately rate buyers, that may be a problem.
Being forced to auto-finalize sucks, and should get a 1/5 until product is delivered.
We buyers are too generous with a 5/5, time to start spreading the pack out.
Paying for a buyers account will slow down the scam buyers a little.
Adding the price of the product reviewed would be nice.
After 30 days of finalizing my purchase, I.m done with review edits.
It's too bad the few ruin it for the many.
@unwiz
Thanks for supporting some of the ideas to fix this problem.
I view my buyer "bias" as just tipping the scale to create balance with the vendor. Sorry to anyone who felt attacked, but I do really
feel that the vendors need to be held accountable and not given any benefit of the doubt over the buyer.
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you all are making this problem way to complicated. and a complicated solution will never work. you need to aim for the most simple solution possible, then make it simpler.
hahaa grey, i am making it simple: if i have a unjustified problem with a buyer i name and ban them.
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30 days for ability to change feedback is too long. 7 days is more then enough to review an service and product and in the event of some dispute.
Main problem here with limited time for feedback change is early finalize, so maybe good idea is that have special selection what have not reflect vendor feedback if buyer choose for early finalize what can be changed to "real" rating what do have reflection on vendors ratings.
There can be many solutions to this we just have to think little and most important is to think considering as both party.
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I had good experience with Minioreo1234.
There is no requirement to leave feedback when you finalize an order! The ability to leave feedback remains after you finalize, people need to be made aware of this fact. There is no need to leave any feedback what-so-ever when finalizing early.
I agree that eternity is too long to be able to modify feedback or even leave the initial feedback, however, I believe that 2 weeks is too short of a time period. I for one do not have the opportunity to consume LSD or MDMA but once every few months. I tend to purchase those things when legitimate good priced product is available. I feel I should be able to edit or leave feedback for those purchases once I have had the opportunity to consume the product, within a reasonable time frame. I think this would be 30 to 45 days. Going beyond that point renders the feedback fairly stale.
Also, I don't pay much attention to anything past the last month or two's feedback for a particular vendor. In many cases the product will be different and generally vendors improve their packaging methods so if they started out with questionable packaging, I'd like to think that if more recent buyers are not commenting on it that the vendor made improvements.
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Any vendors have any problems with this buyer?
foresttreesbirds
not calling him a scammer at ALL but he messaged me today about an order from 3 weeks or more ago that supposedly never arrived. I have never had a package go undelivered because I use priority stamps, priority flat rate envelopes, and a business return address. Perhaps he used a fake name or something. He hasn't replied to my messages yet.
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you all are making this problem way to complicated. and a complicated solution will never work. you need to aim for the most simple solution possible, then make it simpler.
hahaa grey, i am making it simple: if i have a unjustified problem with a buyer i name and ban them.
+1 to that shit...
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humm i actually am surprised at how well this is going. Vendors are calling out the buyers they feel have acted inappropriately and other vendors are either yea i agree or nay that dude was ok when i worked with them. And other Vendors are like what about this dude, anyone have problems with them? This is almost like a reverse of a vendor review thread.. sort of a buyer review thread, just for questionable buyers so that vendors can take notice of them and denote their activities.
Very interesting indeed.
Now I just need to figure out how to categorize the people listed to be fair to both the vendors and the buyers. Any ideas how to list it? Anyone?
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Sounds like a Cartel to me..OPEC? So if you're going to do Kidnappings can you start with Larghetto? Can get you more names later. Any headless bodies shipped or heads?
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On a more Serious Note Paper, I sense and hear your Frustration with Douce Bag Buyers. Problem is you need Buyers Dont you? Generalizing and doing what you're Promoting Will Only cause more of what your trying to avoid. Yes, you will separate the wheat from the shaff, but those will be few. Business always need new customers. I have a near Perfect Rating of over a Dozen Purchases and I find you throwing these matters out as "taunting." No good will come of this type of business plan. 2 months of school of Hard Knocks hardly makes a business empire or CEO. But, it's your store. Would like to hear your Results after another 2 months
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I got about 2 or 3 cents to add.
(i) I agree that some type of barrier to entry for buyers could be a good idea. I'm thinking like 5 bucks. The accumulated funds would be used for SR to cover hedging or something, but the purpose of the fund is to stop buyers from creating unlimited accounts. Without this, the buyer rating system will not be reliable (or viable).
(ii) The buyer rating system should probably be done behind closed doors. I think the animosity caused by the public shaming is an unnecessary side effect and will aggravate those listed into escalating their attack style. See if SR can facilitate a private lounge for sellers who have reached rank 50 or higher.
(iii) For rating or blacklisting a buyer, there might be a set of objective criteria that can be checked against. This can prevent personal opinions or personality clashes from landing an innocent (no matter how annoying) buyer from landing on the list.
(iv) ultimately though, I don't think its best for any single seller to have the burden of maintaining the list and process the complaints. If SR has the resources they should assign a staff member to take care of this stuff on behalf of the sellers.
(v) If there is a federation of the strongest sellers in collaboration they could destabilize the balance of power (eg.. take over), so also, I think best if SR can assign a staff member (highly speculation but plausible none the less).
^ Feel free to disagree with any/all of above.. just a few thought into the already vibrant mix.
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How about weighting the buyer rating by purchase value?
For example, a 1BTC purchase that goes perfectly gains 1 point while a 10BTC purchase that goes equally well gains 10 points?
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LexusMiles, All Good Ideas! My 2 BC's is that something has to be done very soon. These Public Witch Hunts are Bad, Bad for SR.
If you have ever read Art of War (which I highly recommend to any SR admin) The General (SR) is "obligated" to keep his army Unified and Marching to same ideas and philosphies. When you have Inner Turmoil among the Ranks, eventually The General will Lose all control. The moment when SR need all the support and unification it needs, granted most will Ban Together, but meanwhile this is just causing Descension and could very well start a destruction for SR from within. Revolution is always a good thing and brings about change, usually positive, but Sr needs to be the Leader of Revolution.
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I got about 2 or 3 cents to add.
(i) I agree that some type of barrier to entry for buyers could be a good idea. I'm thinking like 5 bucks. The accumulated funds would be used for SR to cover hedging or something, but the purpose of the fund is to stop buyers from creating unlimited accounts. Without this, the buyer rating system will not be reliable (or viable).
(ii) The buyer rating system should probably be done behind closed doors. I think the animosity caused by the public shaming is an unnecessary side effect and will aggravate those listed into escalating their attack style. See if SR can facilitate a private lounge for sellers who have reached rank 50 or higher.
(iii) For rating or blacklisting a buyer, there might be a set of objective criteria that can be checked against. This can prevent personal opinions or personality clashes from landing an innocent (no matter how annoying) buyer from landing on the list.
(iv) ultimately though, I don't think its best for any single seller to have the burden of maintaining the list and process the complaints. If SR has the resources they should assign a staff member to take care of this stuff on behalf of the sellers.
(v) If there is a federation of the strongest sellers in collaboration they could destabilize the balance of power (eg.. take over), so also, I think best if SR can assign a staff member (highly speculation but plausible none the less).
^ Feel free to disagree with any/all of above.. just a few thought into the already vibrant mix.
+1
thought out very well.
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@oppyate from my perspective, anyone can post a vendor review thread. Whats the difference in posting a buyer review thread? Nothing. Do you consider all vendor review threads "witchhunts?" Certainly some of them are negative and some are positive. Some buyers complain about a vendor in a vendor review thread cause they had a bad experience for real... just like some vendors on here complain about a buyer in this buyer review thread cause they had a bad experience with them. This is all balanced by the other vendors (or buyers in the case of a vendor review thread) stating their experience with an individual. If your a good buyer, you shouldn't have a problem. I have several bad marks on my record from buyers that I did not include here cause it was really my fault, like postage due upon arrival. So what are you so worried about, it sounds like you have a rather sterling record and are a good buyer anyways?
@lexusmiles Your first four points I am in agreement with. Your fifth point I tend to disagree with cause this is a free market and new sellers can come along at any time and offer better product or better pricing or both. To stay a top vendor one must constantly offer consistent quality products, service and reliability. No "Federation" can force you to buy from them, and certainly cannot "take over" by any means. This is drugs, not the air we breathe or the petroleum that turns the machinery of the planet.
Overall, I agree with both of you that this should be done behind closed doors, but SR has not been willing to open a sellers only forum. I have asked Nomad several times to implement a Sellers only forums section to discuss vendor related issues however apparently SR Admin has not been willing to do so thus far. Why? I dont know, but im not going to stand around wringing my hands and twiddling my thumbs. My philosophy is lead, follow or get the hell out of the way at times like this.
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Well Paper, I'm happy to see we have come to a Point of some Agreement. To tell you the Honest Truth, I'm Not at all Worried about my Ranking or it's effect on my purchasing ability. I really am more concerned about the current Drama within SR. Maybe I'm reading way too much into it, I just dont want to see this Revolutionary Idea (SR) to become Cancerous from within. Sr can and will survive if it can Prove that even though it is in fact involved in illegal activity, it can Self Regulate to Standards that will keep it successful. As I've said before, Revolution in any new frontier is usually a good thing. However, I would like to see these types of matters handled in a way that some are not offended and then you have Assholes that simply live to create Anarchy and Disorder, eg., Purposely dishing out a 1 or 2 Ranking just for grins and to destroy. Some matters are best discussed behind closed Doors. Once a proclamation is reached, eg., Douche Bags, Thieves and Scammers are Isolated, then SR can become a better place.
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@oppyate Honestly, there already are problems. Not addressing them is not the solution, we must find ways to balance the problems that have come up effectively. Recently there has been a rash of vendors that have went bad. That's not good at all. Much of that was tempered by the quick posts on the forums by the watchful eyes of many of our most vigilant members. That can work in both directions, if implemented properly. How exactly is up to us to decide i guess, which is part of the purpose of this thread. More or less I agree with your last post altogether.
@cache i think that is a very good idea.
It would seem to me that SR Admin really needs to weigh in here, as to if they will i do not know.
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How about weighting the buyer rating by purchase value?
For example, a 1BTC purchase that goes perfectly gains 1 point while a 10BTC purchase that goes equally well gains 10 points?
As I know that is a part already how purchase rating operate. Number, various vendors and total worth of purchase (but it should have max limit on what can effect on vendor reputation).
*********Here is SR quote how that system is calculated***********
Quote from: Silk Road on July 27, 2011, 06:07:09 am
we can definitely share the detail, though it gets a bit technical, and we are tuning some the parameters, so the whole thing isn't set in stone.
basically, each feedback score is weighted by three factors: buyer activity, age, and purchase price.
The buyer activity weight is determined by finding the average and standard deviation of the log of the number of vendors reviewed by buyers who've ever left a review. if the log of the number of vendors reviewed by the buyer who left the feedback is greater than the average, the review has a "buyer activity" weight of the number of standard deviations above the average plus one. If it is below average, then the weight is the inverse of the number of standard deviations below the average minus one.
The age weigh is found by raising 1.02337 to the power of the review's age in days and then inverting it. We got 1.02337 by making a review half as valuable after one month as one that's just been posted.
The price weight comes from the following formula: 0.2*log(0.02*($price)+1)+1 where $price is in dollars.
You then multiply the weights together to get the total weight for that review. Add up all of the weighted reviews and divide by the total weight to get the weighted average, then do 25*(1-avg) to get "percent positive reviews" metric.
To get the seller rank, we find the averages and standard deviations of the "percent positive feedback" and the log of the total weight of the reviews for all active sellers. We then average the number of standard deviations a seller has above or below the average with a 4 to 1 weight on their average feedback over their total weight. This is a seller's rating, and we rank everyone according to this rating.
There are a few little details left out for brevity, but that's basically it.
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- i would have thought the idea would be have sellers & buyers working together in one forum, unless sellers see themselves as separate from the rest of us, in the meantime i'll have to read from page 1 to try work out these reasons.
- if sellers could be approachable, a little more flexible and
- buyers paying for what they've bought, and suppose educate themselves in how SR & technology works.
- some honest business practices on both sides.
{don't know how to reach out to scammers as they probably don't give a shit...}
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LexusMiles, All Good Ideas! My 2 BC's is that something has to be done very soon. These Public Witch Hunts are Bad, Bad for SR.
If you have ever read Art of War (which I highly recommend to any SR admin) The General (SR) is "obligated" to keep his army Unified and Marching to same ideas and philosphies. When you have Inner Turmoil among the Ranks, eventually The General will Lose all control. The moment when SR need all the support and unification it needs, granted most will Ban Together, but meanwhile this is just causing Descension and could very well start a destruction for SR from within. Revolution is always a good thing and brings about change, usually positive, but Sr needs to be the Leader of Revolution.
- i don't disagree and in fact see how the analogy applies, but as you may or may not have noticed there's very little input or direction from 'The General' ..
{i'll let you or anyone work that one out, there are 2 or 3 reasons for this...}
- as a result there are threads upon threads of hundreds of hours of time spent in discussion, the challenge is putting together the solution that spreads responsibility.
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Nothing wrong with a thread allowing Vendors to vent or point out a potential or serious threat/scam/prick. I honestly have been a member for a bit over a month and after 16 transactions have a 100% success rate from different drug categories/and prices/quantities and shipped from around the world/domestic.
I attribute my success to being both investigative on feedback/rating on site, word of mouth, combined with fourm response and private messaging. Always starting with smaller quantities and moving up from there, building trust on both sides along the way. Always giving preference to domestic vendors (time/customs).
Now I understand that some people just turn from gold to turds over night. That cannot be predicted nor avoided sometimes but when it comes down to it, I treat others as I would expect to be treated myself. I understand the risk that comes with finalizing early on an international order, as well as the numerous variables that exist in real life (jail/debt/addiction etc...) when I order an ILLEGAL substance over the internet. I'm a veteran of the old school "invite only" e-mail WU providers that were always built on word of mouth and blind faith. This is a much more reliable system, it just costs more but an inherent environment of quality control and anonymous safety that is unprecedented as far as the WILD WEST of the internet black market goes.
It started out quite expensive as I was a new buyer, and had to work out the kinks of acquiring BTC/brokers and gaining trust built on my side. Now that I have built customer/vendor relationships the service/price/quantity and all around experience continues to get better. Do I think that I will get taken advantage of or be the victim of circumstance on an occasion in the future? YES. But its all part of it.
BOTH sides need an outlet to expose or vent problem makers/ cheap bastards that either scam or lie, or post irrational paranoia and negative feedback. But in the LONG run it seems to be a solid system that honest people can work themselves into systematic way of using rational thinking and deductive reasoning to choose who they buy or sell to. I have my DOC, and within that I as well have vendors that I have built a relationship with that I can trust and "bet" my money that it will work out in a positive experience/outcome for both parties.
As long as I continue to use my god given gift of reason to choose and root out the best people to order from, those who consistently deliver quality product on time as advertised. As long as its delivered, I will uphold my end and sign on as soon as product is received and release the safety of escrow within minutes or hours, but ALWAYS ASAP. Keep good communication with my selected vendors and see how stressed they are/how smoothly their operation or cash flow is operating and place my order accordingly. Stop harassing these people who spend all day packing/shipping orders with needless messages that can effectively throw the wrench in the system. Just as I reward them with my trust and business they reward me with their honest best service and product.
ITS SIMPLE PEOPLE. BE RESPECTFUL AND SMART. Understand that not everything is guaranteed and even the contest between man and steer is certain (1 BTC to first person to reference movie quote) Ha.
There doesn't need to be a surcharge to be a buyer. You pay for it. If you have good intentions and a decent head on your shoulders you will come out on top either on this site or at the craps table. But don't cry wolf when things don't run smoothly especially when you send 300$+ to a guy that you've done barely any business with and has mixed reviews. I am a gambling man, and as long as there is laws that will put my happy ass in jail for these items, as well as the people who sell them, I understand that this is simply a gambling website.
SR needs to do a better job finding/recognizing/removing trolls and shitty buyers, keeping its vendors honest and the non honest in check. There is a middle ground. Strive for it, but DO NOT think it is your god given right.
To the thieves, kiss my ass, and thanks to all who make my weekends with women oh so much better. Anybody who has waited all night for a call from a punk who has been giving you the "Kansas City Shuffle" all night or copped dope on the West Side of Chicago on foot, or spent a few days in County jail, or just plain can't find said item locally, will respect the unique opportunity to safely acquire some good powders/pills to make life a little better on a Friday night.
That is all.
King
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Well put KingThursday.
The bottom line is, through intelligent choices and due diligence, you can reduce the chance of getting scammed to almost zero. That said, there has never been a marketplace that screamed CAVEAT EMPTOR more than Silk Road. I'm sure by the time it's all over, I'll have been scammed at least once. But, knock on wood, it hasn't happened yet in six months over dozens of orders.
BTW, the quote is from No Country For Old Men. Awesome movie. If you were serious about the 1 BTC, I'll gladly accept it at 18BodzRaY5A4cWbqpUFT6TQx15srmmNVcX
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@KingThursday: well said bro.
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There doesn't need to be a surcharge to be a buyer.
SR needs to do a better job finding/recognizing/removing trolls and shitty buyers
Your suggestion to use "rational thinking and deductive reasoning" is somewhat lost in this here catch 22. Your "god given gift of reason", "good intentions", and "decent head on your shoulders" isn't gonna help these vendors keep the scum out the yard. What would you suggest, that hasn't already been suggested (buy-in fee, invite only, class divisions <--- all been suggested).
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So on a real tip, my story had no catch 22.
Its about how I handle MY GOD DAMN BUSINESS as a MAN.
to the thieves.... Kiss my ASS.
-King
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I had a problem with fearedtoast, who gave me a bunk address and then wanted a refund. I even offered the idiot 50% back just to get rid of him and keep my rep in tact, but he wanted more and tried to blame the whole thing on me because I don't use a correct return address. How fucking stupid does he think I am. Yeah, im gonna sell drugs with my real return address on it. WTF???? I hope you guys read this and have a chance to refuse to sell to this guy. He has caused me nothing but headache and grief, and over the holidays no less. Happy Fucking New Year!
Libby
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*** BUMP ***
New fools added to list!
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How about this;
New buyer can opt for a free new account that has a transaction limit in BTC.
(This caps potential loss to seller and is tailored by the seller. Basically how much a seller is willing to risk with a noob.)
This limit increases by 25% with each successful transaction, per vendor.
After the 4th successful transaction, there are no limits.
If at any time a new buyer allows a transaction to auto-finalize during the first 4 transactions - the limit is reset to initial limit.
Also, new buyer cannot buy from same vendor again until previous order is finalized during this grace period.
Or the new buyer can pay to have no limits.
It will be a sort of seller insurance fund. The fee is based on a percent of the transaction amount.
After the 3rd successful transaction, no fee will be added onto a transaction and the fees paid during the first 3 transactions are refunded to the buyer. If at any time during the first 3 transactions the buyer allows an order to auto-finalize, they lose the fee paid for that transaction which would then be forwarded to the seller. And that transaction would not count towards the 3 initial transactions.
On feedback:
Sellers should be able to address feedback, good or bad. They should be able to add a note to each feedback if they desire. Additionally, what was bought but not necessarily how much was bought should accompany the feedback unless it's a shipping service. This way buyers can determine what a seller is really good at. Though, buyer's name should not accompany the feedback.
Buyers should also have feedback left by sellers that can be seen by all. It shouldn't state what was bought, only a general message from the seller like "pleasure to do business with." Or "finalizes promptly."
Just some thoughts. :)
Shout out to Pharmville! Love those guys.
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Good ideas, I especially like the idea about the buyers having feedback left by the sellers. What it was is already there, what should be added is HOW MUCH IT WAS (cause sometimes people buy multiples of the same item in one order) and any comments the seller has about their experience with the buyer.
This reminds me of the Ebay feedback systems where it goes BOTH ways... that model seems appropriate to me and has worked very well for the ebay feedback system.. this idea needs to be examined more closely.
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A "$25 buyer's account fee" even up to $50 certainly sounds intriguing but I'd like to rule that out now for a number of reasons. First it will not stop weirdo's from asking creepy questions where you think to yourself "hmmm this gentlemen is asking too much questions". More importantly it will not stop the rogue sellers who have lots of burn money to spend just to get a buyers account, make a purchase from you using a bum ass address and fuck your feedback. (In regards to what I think happened to my account recently with 1 negative feedback).
I also believe this thread where we "call out" a buyer will not help in any way. For one it will scare potential buyers away that some dealer might post their address. It will also just make a rogue buyer sign up for another username to buy.
:2cents
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Well Smiletabs, imma just respond to you in order:
A) Nothing is gonna stop wierdos or LE from asking strange and outright stupid questions.
B) I make more money selling f2f IRL than on here and I still dont have "money to burn..." Actually EVERY SINGLE INAPPROPRIATE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK has originated from items costing less than $30. That's why I stopped selling grams of hash and grams of weed, now the latest negative feedback I got that was false was for ONE LSD HIT.. I guess Im gonna have to stop selling single hits of LSD too. Hummm... go figure... I bet your negative feedback that was fake ass was for a lower priced item too, right? Funny, I NEVER get fake negative feedback on items that are more than about $30...
C) Any buyer that has foreknowledge that they are about to do something that may make me feel like I want to post their address is most welcome to not buy from me! That being said, I cannot edit other peoples posts but I have made it clear already that posting buyers addresses is completely unacceptable behavior for vendors.
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Alright, then instead of a buyer fee, individual sellers can set minimum purchase amounts for new buyers. Established buyers with good feedback don't have that minimum or perhaps a lower minimum.
And since new buyers would be more apt to buy from established sellers, this would help to weed out the bad/chump noobs from the serious noobs. My first order on SR was >$150 from a seller with an excellent rep. Before I bought, I asked if the seller had any special rules for new buyers. He said no considering the size of my order. Everything worked out well and I became a regular who always does more than >$200 per order.
Though I have done a <$30 order with another seller with a good rep. But I did him the courtesy of early finalizing a portion of my order with the rest finalized on delivery day (within hours). And it was good stuff. tested and enjoyed a week later.
In any event, I agree, sellers need more risk controls. A tiered system of risk controls along with two way feedback seems the most feasible change that can be made so as not to impact the admins of SR in any material way.
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Why are you recommending things that sellers can already do? And trying to put in place all these bullshit rules. No vendor HAS to sell to anybody, lol.
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It's simple. If the good sellers leave, what's left? What you call bullshit rules, I call insurance for keeping good sellers around. Unless of course you like buying off the local street corner. I sure don't. Way too much risk unless you get a good intro from a regular.
Besides, the feedback system is one sided. I'd like to let other sellers know, "hey, this is a good buyer." It's good for business. Just like IRL.
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sorry to hear people are giving u shit paperchasing. i have personally never dealt with you but the forums and ivory and mitanox speak highly of you, which is more than enough in my book. goodluck and i wish u still had the orange mdma mitanox had. i have been trying to get that since he put up his listing ages ago
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Well Smiletabs, imma just respond to you in order:
A) Nothing is gonna stop wierdos or LE from asking strange and outright stupid questions.
B) I make more money selling f2f IRL than on here and I still dont have "money to burn..." Actually EVERY SINGLE INAPPROPRIATE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK has originated from items costing less than $30. That's why I stopped selling grams of hash and grams of weed, now the latest negative feedback I got that was false was for ONE LSD HIT.. I guess Im gonna have to stop selling single hits of LSD too. Hummm... go figure... I bet your negative feedback that was fake ass was for a lower priced item too, right? Funny, I NEVER get fake negative feedback on items that are more than about $30...
C) Any buyer that has foreknowledge that they are about to do something that may make me feel like I want to post their address is most welcome to not buy from me! That being said, I cannot edit other peoples posts but I have made it clear already that posting buyers addresses is completely unacceptable behavior for vendors.
Hello,
Its interesting on part B what you mention about negative feedback being left for an item that is $30 or less. That is how it happened here. I think the point is it's either another seller that is competition and wants to ruin your good name. Or it is people who have no communication skills do not have the intelligence to give their address correctly.
I think I'll stop selling small amounts in awhile.
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Well Smiletabs, imma just respond to you in order:
A) Nothing is gonna stop wierdos or LE from asking strange and outright stupid questions.
B) I make more money selling f2f IRL than on here and I still dont have "money to burn..." Actually EVERY SINGLE INAPPROPRIATE NEGATIVE FEEDBACK has originated from items costing less than $30. That's why I stopped selling grams of hash and grams of weed, now the latest negative feedback I got that was false was for ONE LSD HIT.. I guess Im gonna have to stop selling single hits of LSD too. Hummm... go figure... I bet your negative feedback that was fake ass was for a lower priced item too, right? Funny, I NEVER get fake negative feedback on items that are more than about $30...
C) Any buyer that has foreknowledge that they are about to do something that may make me feel like I want to post their address is most welcome to not buy from me! That being said, I cannot edit other peoples posts but I have made it clear already that posting buyers addresses is completely unacceptable behavior for vendors.
Hello,
Its interesting on part B what you mention about negative feedback being left for an item that is $30 or less. That is how it happened here. I think the point is it's either another seller that is competition and wants to ruin your good name. Or it is people who have no communication skills do not have the intelligence to give their address correctly.
I think I'll stop selling small amounts in awhile.
Our cannabis vendors, stated the same as you.
Almost weekly event vendors noticing the same.
It's a catch22 for new buyers. A few ruin it for everybody.
That's why a buyers stats should be everything.
Buyers read my FAQ about scamming, it includes how to increase this credit.
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Dilly Jean
lindamelbourne
Both unresponsive and made me wait the full 17 days for the order to finalize.
Whoa whoa whoa....I'm not sure what this is all about. I know this was 3 months ago but I'm just now seeing this. I'm always very responsive and care very much about my buyers stats...I gave this guy a 5/5 rating. It was so long ago now that I don't even remember what I ordered and under my feedback page it doesn't let me view what I bought from him...it doesn't seem like he's even a seller anymore. For the record below are my buyers stats;
Total transactions: 47
Total spent: ฿395.04
Refund rate: 0%
Auto-finalize rate: 0.49%
Member for: 8 months
Pretty sure the auto-finalize thing was right when I was new to the site and had ordered from overseas and didn't realize how everything worked quite yet. Other than that I think I'm a pretty good buyer - I always finalize early because I like to build trust and was actually one of the people who got scammed by Agent Mulder for doing so.
I don't care too much about this negative post about me because I don't get on the forums too much and I believe my buyers stats speak for themselves, but it just seems kinda rude and I felt the need to defend myself.
I seriously don't know what this seakong dudes problem is.
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Mods can we make this classic thread a sticky please
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Add:
Stumblebumble
TheAnimalCollector
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@paperchasing, I feel the same way as Variety does. Posting address information on someone that you've had a problem with but other may not have just doesn't feel right to me. I understand why you do it, but personal details should be left out. I certainly have no problem with you calling out buyers you've had trouble with, I think that sort of communication will help you vendors lock down on the dickhead scammers and protect yourselves more. But publicly calling out people that have been an extreme thorn is not such a bad thing.
- isn't this against SR rules to even be collating addresses, then publishing them ....remember this forum is effectively public although under Tor doesn't stop any ol'
LEO creating a logon and recording those addresses.
- you all see what happens to deals gone sour here on SR, they quickly erupt and before you know it we're feeding LE info....which could otherwise have easily been
sorted out (possibly) -almost everything has a solution.
and as per Dave Chapelle sketch "..how do 'we' rise up and ...defeat...= stop cutting each others throats.." {paraphrase}
don't have every solution nor how to deal with dudes keep coming back with diff logons and scamming those are obviously special cases....DPR and mods can
come up with the ideas its their forum and have access to the technology and lay down whatever ground rules...
- remember there's a big difference between gummystars, sumyunguy (spelling?!) and some kid who isn't sure about Silk Road ?!
- let me tell you something, I may have some disagreement with someone or some petty issue with a purchase but none of these are an excuse to mix with LE and
compromise security which could affect SR, other inocent bystanders, its just not worth the trouble it would bring case fucking closed.
my 2 pence worth.
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Heres a fresh asshat:
BTC Buds
His feedback (without pm'ing me a damn thing): 1/5 - "I wasnt impressed. What i got didnt look anything like the pic." about my Black Thai Hash
Apparently this dumbass cant even read much less tell real hash from a hole in his ass. I clearly state if you have a problem just pm me and we'll work it out. What a retard.
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Paper, why don't you use the suspect/irresponsible/banned buyer list in the vendor forums? Buyers can easily see their names listed here and make a new account and adjust accordingly.
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Hey I think we've found the king of the assholes minioreo1234. All vendors beware and he's already been mentioned in this thread.
OK, this guy is a fucking scammer and a complete and utter fucking melon. Becareful as he has over 2,000 btc in transactions and his feedback counts.
He tries to get me to refund him after he's released the escrow (so not to fuck up his stats), he accuses me of mixing different types of hash together and other crap, which I quit clearly explain to him. He therefore puts a 1/5 rating and the following master piece
"Everything was average, or above average (Communication, Shipping, Packaging, Etc) except the product that arrived is a mix of over 3 different types of hash, this is not the premium Pakistani I ordered and well this is my first time leaving not a 5 when the vendor DID reply to messages but was not very helpful even though I did my best to explain to him the method, etc used to determine that it was made up of several different hashes... I wanted to work with him so his rating was not affected, or at least I extended him the offer, I did not want to as I am very busy but as a V myself (in the past) I understand...
WARNING TO BUYERS OF PAKISTANI PREMIUM: What I receive was made-up of at least 3 different types, most light, the only one resembling Pakistani Premium was BY FAR the least of the 3 types.. 1-2 % is a liberal figure I would think... Anyway I feel I've done my duty; I only have left 3 non 5's out of 130 transactions with over 2K BTC spent and 7 months on this website... I hope this helps inform someone like myself as others on this site DO send what you purchase; and its very good stuff at that... "
guys, just check out my reviews and see if this is logical or what.
Paperchasin, great thread much appreciated ;-) Do you think that there's a place where we can just list all these asshole???? This way we as vendors can just ignore these dicks and just blow them off the site
fly
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This list should be made private to vendors only, so that scam buyers are never certain whether their name is on the list and it'll help prevent creation of mult. buyer accs
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maybe create an onion site or something
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This list should be made private to vendors only, so that scam buyers are never certain whether their name is on the list and it'll help prevent creation of mult. buyer accs
+1
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ha ha ass nuggers... :)
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what if we all put in 0.1 btc each per month and just pay somebody to create and maintain a database in the onion land?????
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This list should be made private to vendors only, so that scam buyers are never certain whether their name is on the list and it'll help prevent creation of mult. buyer accs
+1. The less scammers know, the better.
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Sorry, was quite surprised to find my name here on a forum search. My SR account nycsurf808 was compromised a few months back (I went to a phishing site); I subsequently notified the admin and got the password changed but don't use the account anymore (although I still have the forum login). I found out later that the hacker had not only cleaned out my bitcoins but changed all of my feedback to ridiculously negative -- not sure what the motivation is for that.
Anyway I went back and changed it again but if anyone still has negative feedback from nycsurf808 let me know... I've honestly never had a negative buying experience on SR and feel horrible that negative feedback was left for some of the very best vendors here which I've used many times and enjoyed... all absolutely top rate.
Thanks!
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PLEASE HELP!!
I am going through the same thing with minioreo1234
Canada post said his package arrived safely but he is saying he got a letter from the "LE".
After I showed him the tracking number and that he signed for the package his said he did get it, but the "LE" removed the contents.
He is also saying he was to place larger orders with us, and that we didn't send it express when his order clearly states he paid and choose regular mail.
Why would someone want to place larger orders with a seller if he didn't get his package- it makes no sense.
Is there a way from stopping this Serbian scammer from leaving bad feedback and ruining our 100 rating?
PLEASE advise, any help would mean a lot.
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I've been sniffing out troll buyers by sending product before confirming the order. The troll/LE buyers usually out themselves by how they conduct themselves.
Don't trust oppyate.
Recently, oppyate, who I already was suspicious of because of his forum affiliations, started complaining of my screening system right away. Bad sign number one. Then he started communicating poorly and accusing me of not shipping after i told him when it went out. Bad sign two. Then he claimed he could smell a gram of hash through sealed plastic and several layers of packaging, which is an utter crock of shit. Three strikes and he's out.
...and he's apparently a heroin addict. I deal to pot users, not junkies.
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I've been sniffing out troll buyers by sending product before confirming the order. The troll/LE buyers usually out themselves by how they conduct themselves.
Don't trust oppyate.
Recently, oppyate, who I already was suspicious of because of his forum affiliations, started complaining of my screening system right away. Bad sign number one. Then he started communicating poorly and accusing me of not shipping after i told him when it went out. Bad sign two. Then he claimed he could smell a gram of hash through sealed plastic and several layers of packaging, which is an utter crock of shit. Three strikes and he's out.
...and he's apparently a heroin addict. I deal to pot users, not junkies.
If you were sniffing out trolls then you probably were just catching the scent protruding from your own arse because YOU are the biggest troll on here ya mug. People in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones.
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+1 Limitless, I'm enjoying your aggressive moderation.
Time to start sending BTC. ;)
What happen to my buddy papperchasing? he seems to have disappeared along with a bunch of others.
I hope they will be back.
I miss Pharmville too.
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+1 Limitless, I'm enjoying your aggressive moderation.
Time to start sending BTC. ;)
What happen to my buddy papperchasing? he seems to have disappeared along with a bunch of others.
I hope they will be back.
I miss Pharmville too.
Yeah well holier-than-thou pomp is one thing but holier-than-thou pomp being typed out from from this douche bag's fingers is quite another. It's fucking ridiculous.
And to those banging on about making it private there is a comprehensive list on the Vendor forum, it's just that our Dank here can't access it because he's too much of a thunder-cunt to be allowed entry (this is why he has done his own SR Vendor tag instead of being given one by DigitalAlch, and yeah....he applied and got rejected....lol).
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In fact this thread is getting locked. When I was given the job as Mod I moved one of the extra threads about this to the vendor forum to make sure scammers couldn't see it, all this thread does is keep scammers up to speed with if they have been clocked or not and that actually helps them fuck over vendors by just creating new accounts. Jesus Christ common sense people.
Locked.